Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Neo
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- The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
- The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
- The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
| What | Value | Example / Explanation |
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| Proposal | ||
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| Language code | neu (SIL, Glottolog) | A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ... |
| Language name | Neo | Language name in English |
| Language name | neo | Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ... |
| Language Wikidata item | Q606917 - item has currently the following values:
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Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed. |
| Directionality | LTR | Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)? |
| Site URL | neu.wikipedia.org | langcode.wikiproject.org |
| Settings | ||
|---|---|---|
| Project name | "Wikipedia" in your language | |
| Project namespace | usually the same as the project name | |
| Project talk namespace | "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace) | |
| Enable uploads | no | Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons. |
| Optional settings | ||
| Project logo | This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation). | |
| Default project timezone | Europe | "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones) |
| Additional namespaces | For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk". | |
| Additional settings | Anything else that should be set | |
Proposal[edit]
The Neo language has an ISO 639-3 code: [1]. There is already a wiki in this language on Incubator 2.0 ([2]), so at the very beginning it could serve as a basis for the Wikipedia project (on CC-BY-SA license).
Voting[edit]
In favour[edit]
- --Jon Gua (talk) 17:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- It will be a valuable resource to members of the Neo community and learners of the language, and it will serve to preserve and document the language.—Sir Beluga (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- As an intermediate learner of Neo, I would look forward to contributing. Neo is a fully fleshed-out auxiliary language known for its brevity, and has a large dictionary. It should be possible for the Neo community to at least match the level of activity found in other small auxlang Wikipedias (such as Novial, Volapük). --SineLaude (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I believe Neo Wikipedia will attract activity. Grigoriy Korotkih (talk) 14:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the arguments presented above: Neo has a large vocabulary and should, with dedicated contributors, be able to maintain a similar level of activity as other auxlang projects here. Omnihom (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Against[edit]
- This is another long-dead interlang. Esperanto and Ido still have their speakers, and Interslavic and Lingua Franca Nova seem to have a current energy. Looking at w:en:Neo language, we see a link to a blog that hasn't posted in 12 years, and a a Miraheze encyclopedia with 41 articles; looking at Wikipedio:List d'artiklos, ke tot Wikipedios shur avi, someone made stubs for the first 7 articles and then quit. (Yes, there are a handful following; four country stubs and four continent stubs, for example.) This doesn't even strike me as marginally viable for a Wikipedia.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
For me, the main criterion for supporting a new Wikipedia project in a constructed language is viability, and frankly, in this case I have my doubts. There are quite a few long-dead auxlangs that every now and then find someone willing to revive it. I've seen that happening several times during the last 25 years: one or a few enthousiasts decide to revive a forgotten language, create some content in it, then lose interest and the project dies. This attempt to revive Neo does not look any more promising: ca. 40 edits in May after half a year of total inactivity. Let's face it: all Euroclones except Esperanto are either struggling or dead. Interlingua and Ido still manage to survive somehow, Interlingue to a lesser degree as well, Novial is a borderline case, and even Lingua Franca Nova seems to have lost much of its energy since its creator died.
Ten years ago, I was administrator of the Wikipedia in Novial for half a year. Not because I was a user or even a fan of that language, but because its condition was deplorable: it had been abandoned for years, and most of the 2700 "articles" were practically empty (just an image or a template), spam or written in some other language. Out of respect for Jespersen, I volunteered to clean up the mess, delete half of them, rework the main page and put the real articles on the foreground. At the time, a thought occurred to me: wouldn't it be better to open up the Novial Wikipedia for similar languages, too? Ultimately, nothing came of that, but now I think it might be worth revisiting.
So here's my idea: expand the Wikipedia in Novial with other auxlangs that are too small to have their own Wikipedia, like Idiom Neutral, Neo, Intal, Glosa, Adjuvilo, Mondial, Mundolinco, etc. The reasoning is simple: an encyclopedia with 50 articles is of no use, and for these minor auxlangs it is virtually impossible to become anything more than that. That does not mean that these 50 articles (I mean real articles and not the usual oneliners) are worthless, only that they are written in languages too small for a separate Wikipedia project. Besides, since all these Euroclones are essentially based on the same linguistic material and mutually intelligible, one might easily consider them dialects of the same language. Every page could carry a template that says which language it is and places it in a special category. Some Wikipedias already work like that, for example the Ligurian and Alemannic editions. It's even possible to have the same article in different languages. In my opinion, this solution would generate more activity and put an end to fruitless deletion discussions and hopeless requests for new projects. What do others think? @Valodnieks, @KardonaBoske? IJzeren Jan (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest to have a wikipedia (maybe not the Novial one, but a new one) for all those euroclones you mentioned, kind of euroclone.wikipedia.org or auxlang.wikipedia.org, something like that. A Wikipedia where all those language can have articles written in them like Neo, all Pan-Romance languages besides Interlingua, Interlingue and Novial. Jon Gua (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)