Talk:Midnight deadline

DST

Daylight Saving Time (DST) is not relevant to this use case.

This is not a benefit in comparison with UTC, as UTC does not care about Daylight Saving Time too. 4nn1l2 (talk) 21:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Er, no one ever said it did. The problem is folks who live in regions where they *do* observe DST will be confused as to whether a UTC-based deadline is an hour off or not. With AoE that's not an issue. You can say, "You have until the end of the day <insert date> no matter where you are." - Fuzheado (talk) 21:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Unlike you, I think AoE is more confusing. People in Japan (UTC+9:00) would think that the voting stops 12+9=21 hours earlier than it actually does. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

The main value of AoE is to make sure no one is ever disappointed they had less time than they realized. People may be pleasantly surprised to discover they actually had more (your Japan example) but they should never be angry that they had less than they thought. - Fuzheado (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I would be much more grateful if I knew I had 50 hours at hand instead of just 24 hours. This timezone is deceiving people.

The day 2021-12-24

	The time	The country or the time zone
The first second of day	2021-12-23 10:00:00 UTC	UTC+14 Pacific/Apia, Pacific/Kiritimati
The last second of day	2021-12-25 11:59:59 UTC	UTC−12

Furthermore, this timezone adds to the bureaucracy. If both the start time and the end time be expressed in AoE, it always add 26 more hours to the timetable. This is especially concerning if the timetable is pressed for time. For example, see phab:T292685#7412256 where hours are important. Fawiki was forced to re-schedule its annual election timetable because of the current Wikimedia elections. 4nn1l2 (talk) 23:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

False description

Anywhere on Earth (AoE) is an international standard that is equivalent to UTC−12:00 hour

This is wrong. AoE is also used for start dates and in such cases it actually indicates UTC+14:00 rather than UTC−12:00. 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Issue with closing "the next day"

The use of AoE suffered some serious issues in the MCDC elections. In some areas, the end time was presented as 12:00 UTC the following day, which was shortened to simply the following day without specifying a time, which is the version that, IIRC, was put on the CentralNotice (or maybe it was a watchlist notice? or both? I'm not sure.), possibly causing some voters to miss the deadline. (Some may have assumed that the close was the end of that day, in UTC, as opposed to 12 hours earlier.) --Yair rand (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)